What's your take on anti-abortion folks using pictures of dead mutilated babies as pro-life propaganda? As I was visiting People for Life a moment ago (it's currently safe to visit the front page) I clicked on a link that led to pictures of acid-burned, mutilated babies murdered by abortionists.
Having cuddled and kissed a 20-week "fetus" - our daughter Helen - for a couple of hours, I can't begin to put into words how disturbing the pictures were. Disturbing in a "how dare you" sort of way. It seems to me that use of these pictures as propaganda shows a lack of... something. A failure in reverence, this use of dead babies' bodies, however noble the cause.
Your two cents? How do you approach this?
Posted by billw at September 5, 2003 03:35 PMI agree with you, Bill, that it does show a certain disrespect for the humanity of the particular child. But I wonder if our society has become so insensitive to the inhumanity surrounding us that this is the only way to convince some people of the horrors of the modern abortion industry. (I feel the same way about pictures of the Nazi death camps. They violate the dignity of those who have had every other possible indignity commited towards them. Yet without those pictures there would be so many who would not believe that such atrocities happened and many others - perhaps me, included - who would prefer to forget.)
Posted by: Ellyn von Huben at September 6, 2003 06:58 AMI am strongly anti-abortion, but have had some very bad first-hand experiences with protesters using these images to make their points.
First of all, it traumatizes children and the sensitive. Maybe this isn't a sin equal to abortion, but it seems sinful nonetheless. My little boy would be completely terrorized by such images, and in the city where we live, the "bloody pictures people" are quite visible on weekends in public places. I am constantly shielding him from them and dodging them, even though I agree with their core political belief. I am anti-abortion too, and yet my freedom to go where and when I please with my son is curtailed by their offensive actions.
Secondly, it exploits these poor children who were not given the chance to live. If we agree that the aborted fetus is a living person with a soul, then isn't it highly disrespectful of the dead to use the images of their mutilated bodies as propaganda? Do those opposed to the death penalty show the fried bodies of people who have gone to the electric chair? Do people protesting for more funding for diseases show the ravaged dead bodies of those who have died of that disease on their protest signs?
In my opinion, showing these bloody photos of aborted babies is the equivalent of swearing: weak minds who are unable to express their anger and frustration in a more intelligent or creative way.
I've found that my friends who are in favor of abortion are only more riveted to their beliefs by the outrage spawned by these horrific displays, and those of us who are against abortion shake our heads in disgust because such photos at protests hurt the credibility of our cause. The articulate, intelligent protesters are lumped in with the photo-bearers in the minds of many passersby. The images also discourage other, more gentle protesters, like families with young children, from taking part. A protest with a large number and variety of mainstream-looking and acting people is going to draw much more positive attention to the anti-abortion cause than five extremists on a street waving bloody signs and screaming at cars driving past.
Posted by: Chris at September 6, 2003 10:32 PMWith all personal opinions asside, I find it highly disturbing of what some pro-lifers will go to prove their point. Last year on my ride home from work I was driving down Neil St. (a major road), where there were protestors with four feet tall signs with pictures of aborted fetuses. Now no matter what your beliefs are, there is no reason that a small child should see something like that. I felt bad for any parent driving down the road that day. How would you explain that to your child? At a young age seeing something like that can really screw up a child.
Posted by: Emily vonHuben at September 6, 2003 11:00 PMI agree with Emily.
Pictures like that should be saved for adult debates - a last ditch effort to convince the unenlightened. Along side the road there is no control over who would be exposed to this.
PS - Do you thinkg 'screw up' is a polite expression for a public forum. :)
Love ya,
Mom
Once we've worked through the moral issues, we're still left with matters of prudence.
What would be the reaction to four-foot-tall posters of *un*aborted fetuses? With a caption something like, "Hi, Mom!"
Posted by: Tom at September 8, 2003 07:56 AMI'm torn on the issue; people in general are not moved by arguments but by pictures. Many say we would not have gone into Somalia but for the pictures of starving children. Similarly, many say the war was lost in Vietnam when the dead bodies of American soldiers were shown on TV (and not just counted).
Perhaps Tom's idea is best - find a way to send the message via pictures, but not via aborted baby pictures.
Posted by: T O'Rama at September 8, 2003 08:52 AMThanks, guys (that's inclusive :-). This led to a most excellent and clarifying conclusion - pictures, yes, but the right sort of pictures.
Posted by: Bill White at September 8, 2003 01:58 PMWell I guess I'm a little late to the discussion but I'm new. I've come over from Tom's site.
My question would be how is an aborted fetus more disturbing than the crucified Son of God? Is that something that children should not be exposed to either? Or what about the stations of the cross, that's pretty explicit too and not exactly a nice bed time story. It seems to me that growing up in the Catholic Church I was steeped in gore.
As for:
"Do those opposed to the death penalty show the fried bodies of people who have gone to the electric chair? Do people protesting for more funding for diseases show the ravaged dead bodies of those who have died of that disease on their protest signs?"
Well yes, Sally Struthers walking around with starving children with distended bellies used to be regular viewing during my summer vacation TV watching as a kid. People that want to end war, animal experimentation, the death penalty, genocide, murder, and sin regularly use unpleasant images to get the viceral reaction that is often needed. Although I can't say that I've ever marched around carrying such images when I come across them it just reminds me to pray for the victims and work against the injustice that caused them.
Posted by: Matthew J. Sullivan at September 9, 2003 01:58 PMIn my view, the excesses of the anti-abortion movement, from pickets with pictures of aborted children to the murder of abortionists, simply point out that C.S. Lewis was right--this is what happens when the cause you espouse for love of Christ takes center stage in your life, pushing Christ to one side.
Posted by: Will Duquette at September 21, 2003 11:22 PMI think people who have abortions are wrong. There killing an innocent being who hasn't done anything.People don't it but the fetus feels everything.I think abortions shouldn't be allowed. If they don't want a baby they should keep their legs closed.
Posted by: Shae clai at September 24, 2003 08:09 AMWe all need to join together to pray for an end to abortion
Posted by: Vasyl Semkiv at November 13, 2003 08:19 PM I both agree and disagree with abortions.It is not my place to tell someone how to live their life and more importantly, what choices to make.And I believe taking that choice away for both wemon and men would be wrong.
As far as the pictures go, they are unbelievably grusome and I feel it's not right to make pictures like this so easily a click away from viewing.I understand that pro-lifers want to get a message across and probably feel like this is needed in order to get that same message across to the masses.But even though our world is desesitized and some what curropt,it's morally wrong to put these pictures of dead children out there.If anti-abortionists find abortion morally wrong then surely they can see that launching these pictures of dead bodies, and children nontheless,is too morally wrong.They should take a good look at what they are also putting out there.
To anti-abortionists:Get your message across but with a more of a caring message.Your message is usually put across with an in-your-face attitude.Many times too abrasive.People will listen if they think you are really trying to help them instead of threaten them.Some,not all,anti-abortionists are violent to people that have had abortions but aren't you promoting the very thing you are against:Violence and harm to a living human being?Let God take care of the judging and you do your part aiding people in the understanding of the idea you are trying to put across.I have nothing against "prolifers",I just think you should find another way to say what you are saying.
I am currently pregnant. About 8 or 9 weeks along. When I found out, I was TERRIFIED. Espeically given that I already have an 8 year old little boy. God has given me the gift of fertilty, however I wish it was given to someone more deserving than I. I also got pregnant 4 years ago. I barely knew the guy. I wanted an abortion. Given my Christian background, I knew it was a risk and a one I was willing to deal with. BUT. My father brought home a video from church of actual women having actual abortions. Videos of these tiny babies being sucked out in front of your eyes. It's like you were in the womb with the baby. After that disturbing video. I was reminded of my background and chose to forego adoption. It was the most painful experience, but I did it. And thought to myself that the baby didnt just put itself there. I did it. ME. Turned out, I was having twins, a boy and a girl. I would never been able to live with myself had I gone thru an abortion. They are 4 now and I get pictures. They are happy and healthy and doing great. I thank God I had the strength to let my babies go. But, here I am again. 4 years later in the same situation. And even more terrified than the last. I REALLY considered abortion, considering the creep I got pregnant by. As I force myself to look at abortion pictures, I am remembering why I am in this situation to begin with. *I* put this baby there, again, with my irresponsibility. Although my experience with the open adoption is wonderful, I cant do it again. So, I am sucking up my responsibility and becoming a mother again. And hoping for the best. My point to this story is, keep posting pictures of aborted fetus'. as lewd and malicious as it may seem to some people, it reminds people like me why I am in this situation to begin with and learn to LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES. If you dont want your baby, be strong, and place it for adoption. Millions of people are waiting for a baby. And I am sure glad I did. Keep the pics to show what and aborted fetus looks like, it may help people like me.
Posted by: Rachel at December 9, 2003 06:24 PMHI, Bill
im sorry but i do not agree with you. In order to get the point across that abortion is wrong it seems that it will takes us holding signs like that in protest in order for people to really see. if you want to talk about what is really wrong why dont you talk about the roe vs. wade trial. thats what made all of those pictures happen.
hi my name is miranda. i also think that the abortions are really sad, wrong, and kinda something like murder. when i get older and fall in love with someone, of course i'd wanna have children. i wouldn't ever get an abortion. i don't really aprove of it. my mother and i both think that it is very wrong. now i am only 13 years old, but i certianly do know the difference between what is right and what is wrong. well gotta go. get back to me on this, and tell me what you all think.
Posted by: Miranda Duncan at December 11, 2003 07:50 PMhey are that is wrong and people shouldn't get abortions
Posted by: sarah at December 17, 2003 08:29 AMYour 13. You shouldn't even be THINKING about sex yet. Yet alone, your feelings on abortion.
Posted by: VooDoo at December 17, 2003 06:20 PMi think that abortion is taking a life, the way i look at it is that as soon as the heart starts beating you are carrying another life. i feel that in some circumstances such as women who have been raped, abortion is not right but i can understand a women not wanting to keep the baby of a rapiest. but in any other cicumstances i think abortion is wrong. if you dont want a baby or dont want to get pregnant use contreception, dont be selfish by not using contreception and ending up getting pregnant just for you to abort a life. i have a 10 month old baby he was not planed, i am only 20 but 19 when i had ryan, but not once did the thought of abortion go through my mind, i love him with all my heart and he is a part of me. please use contreception an abortion is not just painful phyically but it's painful mentally. thank you, be safe xxx
Posted by: faye hale at December 22, 2003 05:06 AMI feel these women are getting the easy way out. They are taking a life that they are bringing into this world and should not be able to throw it away. It is not the childs fault it is being born. I believe that women and men should be fixed after having two children no matter what. To many people having children and wanting someone else to take care of them or having an abortion to solve the problem as quick as possible. Children are starting to have sex to early now days. They are wanting to experience sex to young, but don't want to pay the consequences later on. I have 3 children and I wouldn't change a thing for the world. My children are my angels and they are what keeps me going. Abortions are wrong.
Posted by: michelle at January 3, 2004 01:09 AMHallo,
Bitte melden Sie sich bei mir, da ich über unsere Familie Ahnenforschung betreibe, und Huben, von Huben, von Hueben, Hueben, alle zu einer Familie gehören.
Posted by: Hueben at January 5, 2004 01:04 AMI think that maybe the mother might not be ready to start a familly and could feel violated by thinking they can just have sex and get away with suffering the consiquence in the end.
Posted by: juliette at January 8, 2004 01:03 PMShall I teach you how to know something? Realize you know it when you know it, and realize you don't know it when you don't.
Posted by: Monthly Savings Accumulation at February 1, 2004 04:38 AMsara you need to lay off Dani! she wasn't even saying that she was pregnant!Plus if a mom is stupid enough to kill her own child then she should be put in jail because it is the same when parents kill their live children!They should put their child up for addoption!DUH!
Posted by: jessica at February 4, 2004 03:17 PMoops i meant voodo lay off of Miranda!
Posted by: jessica at February 4, 2004 03:18 PMI don't like the fact that people want to kill something they have created.Its just wrong!I strongly feel that if your not ready for the responsibilitys of parenthood 1. USE PROTECTION or put your child up for adoption
Posted by: Kellie Mclean at February 18, 2004 04:06 PMI don't like the fact that people want to kill something they have created.Its just wrong!I strongly feel that if your not ready for the responsibilitys of parenthood 1. USE PROTECTION or put your child up for adoption
Posted by: Kellie Mclean at February 18, 2004 04:07 PMi think abortions is very very wrong and its MURDER..........
Posted by: at February 23, 2004 06:01 AMI hate abortion
Posted by: briana at March 3, 2004 10:44 AMI hate abortion
Posted by: briana at March 3, 2004 10:44 AMi think that is plain stupid it aint their fault that the person is preagnant they should of tought of it before doing sex
hay,myself i think abortions are wrong but its not like we can make the choice for others.. i am 17 and if i were to fall pregnant there is noway i would get an abortion no matter how much it would change my life.. i know your not really killing anything.. and its just cells for the first 3months.. but.. its sumthings you have make.. another gods child
Posted by: felicia at March 10, 2004 07:51 PMWhy don't you people ever consider that some of these women do this out of medical necessity? I had an abortion in Nov. of 2003 because of a severe medical defect in the fetus. If I had not the child would have died near or at birth, or suffered a great deal and finally died in infancy. I could not bring myself to make another human being (let alone my child) go through that. Abortion is wrong in the case of stupid little girls who think of it as another form of birth control, but it is necessary and actually HUMANE in some cases....
Posted by: SJane at March 11, 2004 06:48 PMI honestly think that abortions are truely stupid. I am 16 years old and I know several teenagers who go through with them. If you are grown enough to have sex, then you should be grown enough to go through with what comes out of that. But if you do that, you are wrong in my opinion and you deserve what you get because that is MURDER and it is not fair to ruin someone's life reagardless if it is just cells or not.
Posted by: Renee Holder at March 15, 2004 12:14 PMI think It's wrong I think that every person who's had an Abortion should be punished If You had no problem making the child you should have no problem taking care of the child!Who would want to do that to their child anyhow!
Posted by: Leanne at March 25, 2004 08:34 AMPERSON THAT HAD AN ABORTION NEED TO GET HELP, YOUR SICK FROM THE HEAD!!!!IF YOU THINK IT WAS A MISTAKE TO HAVE A KID, THEN CLOSE YOUR FUCKING LEG'S AND FOCUS IN SOMETHING MUCH MORE PRODUCTIVE!!!!!
Posted by: lester at March 26, 2004 01:13 AMI am 17 years old and i have my 2nd child on the way. My first daughter, Lilyan Victoria, was born prematurely at just 24 weeks. She survived only 5 days. It sickens me completely to see pictures of aborted fetuses and even think about abortion. If you knew how much it hurt to lose a child once you have held her in your arms, you would think twice i guarantee it. A child is never just a few cells to get rid of. At 6 weeks of conception a fetus already has fully formed hands with fingers and feet with toes, a beating heart and active brain waves. They are a person no different from me and you, who never asked to be brought into this world. And who surely didnt ask to be destroyed because her parents didnt want her. I miss my baby so much and i could never live with the fact that i killed her. God bless them, for they know not what they do.
Posted by: Alicia Berry at March 31, 2004 01:16 PMI think that the use of the pictures is powerful and necessary.Why is it that people always want a sugar coated view of things?There is nothing pretty of abortion and the graphic and disturbing nature of this practice should be shown so that people can see the truth about it.If people don't want to see it,the they should recognize the fetus as the PERSON that he or she is and help to stop the practice of it.Even if the truth hurts...it's STILL THE TRUTH.Deal with it and deal with it properly.
Posted by: Brian Simpson at April 2, 2004 12:08 PMi belive that if you wish to kill an innocent child go ahead, but i think you should be put to jail for killing someone or something. Any one else who kills someone goes to jail, why should'nt you?
Posted by: chelsea at April 12, 2004 10:06 AMSo is this the way to go? Large obnoxious posters held over highways for all the public to see? This is our ANSWER??!
Stalking and killing helpless people who only want to give to the common good???
REALLY??? WHO is PRO-Life? Certainly not YOU!!
I have yet to see mass pro-lifers take home all the chemical dependent babies that you FORCED these woman to have.
Thousands of starving unwanted children in many other countries that you PRO-Lifers have yet to rescue.
What about the many woman that you do effect with your marches??? NONE of them have been helped. They simpliy had the baby and abused it or killed.
SO EXACTLY HOW DO YOU HELP THESE KIDS.
NOW, the can certainly felt the pain of being killed. They knew the person that killed them. Yet, They are still dead!
So, HOW EXACTLTY DID YOU HELP THEM??!!
Abortion is a womans right to her body.. get over it!
She saves the world from thousands of unwanted and surely to be abused or slowly killed children.
My advice to all of you. ADOPT all of the unwanted children that there are in the world already.
When we run out... we will call you.
Until then ... shut up and look around!!
i think you are so dum for what you do .
Posted by: terry at April 21, 2004 12:47 PMi think you are so dum for what you do .
Posted by: terry at April 21, 2004 12:47 PMit is vile and out right stupid that you can kill a child just so you can sleep around some more. sex without problems.
Posted by: kayla at April 30, 2004 10:40 AMitis absolutley a discrace that a person can kill a child.it gives girls a thought that they can sleep around and never have to pay for it by taking care of a child.i am only 15 and i can see that it is wrong why cant everyone else.just think what if your mother had an abortion.would you be able to kill your child?have it sucked out and chopped up and be shipped in a box to burn with trash?
Posted by: kayla at April 30, 2004 10:48 AMi feel that no matter who you are if your resons are good enogth you have the right to decide whats best for your body. by no means is it an easy choise to make and many suffer a great deal of guilt anger and deppresed though sure others dont this is maybe they new3 it really was the best thing to do. i feel hurt and angry when i see sites that are cursing women that have done this as if they are bad and wrong and selfish. i ahve my veiws on this subject and by no means think it is right to use it abortion as a contriception but surley everybody desurves a second chance anjd no one desurves to read or hear what some of these narrow minded people have to say. i only hope they never find them self in that situation.though maybe than they may just relise how it feels to feel that scared and alone that u think it may just be your only option.
Posted by: tasha at April 30, 2004 04:38 PMi thinmk that people that kill their babies are sick and need to see the pics of what they do
Posted by: alisha castro at May 8, 2004 11:06 AMFirst, let me just say to Fellicia its not just "cells' for the first 3 mts, you should go to your libray and check out a pregnancy book and also A Child Is Born by Lennart Nilsson. Second to Barbara, no one FORCED anyone to have unprotected sex. Whats the difference in killing a baby aftr its born or while its still in utero? And last but not least I hjave personal experience w/this one. I found I was pg w/my now 5yr old son 3wks after my 16th b-day and instead of taking the easy way out via abortion or adoption I stepped up to my responsibility w/no help from anyone except the father who is now my husband(he was 15). I'm proud to say that I've just graduated nursing school and am an LPN. Don't tell me it can't be done. If you don't want kids keep your legs closed and your pants on or at least use protection.
Posted by: Lauren at June 1, 2004 02:59 PMthe "PICTURES are crude?" how dare you!! what do you think that little baby went thru right before the picture? hug your own baby and praise the Lord he gave you such a miracle.
Posted by: Sli at June 1, 2004 08:24 PMI had an abortion, April 16, 2002. That was the first day of the worst day of my life to come and never, ever end. I was 20. To this day I regret it, I can't get it out of my head, I KILLED MY CHILD. I hurt my unborn baby. I will forever be against abortions. If you don't want to suffer the concenqeces. KEEP YOUR LEGS CLOSED, OR USE PROTECTION. How F@#KEN HARD IS THAT. especially the one who are in their second trimester. you are even worse than your first.
Posted by: starr at June 2, 2004 04:42 PMi went on this site 4 my english essay which is about abortion and i cant believe people actualy go on these sites and rite there thoughts and feelings so complete strangers can see!
why dont you go live your live instead of commenting and judging others!
also its sum1s own choice to get rid of a blob of protoplasm
thank you for the amusment you wierd people have given me! kim aged 15 xxx
i went on this site 4 my english essay which is about abortion and i cant believe people actualy go on these sites and rite there thoughts and feelings so complete strangers can see!
why dont you go live your live instead of commenting and judging others!
also its sum1s own choice to get rid of a blob of protoplasm
thank you for the amusment you wierd people have given me! kim aged 15 xxx
In most cases, I do not agree that abortion is an option....however...
I'm three months pregnant and scanning the net for pictures of what my baby looks like in utero at different stages. Opening one site under a search engine what do I see but aborted fetuses...this is not a way to get a message across. I found them very disturbing and wonder how many other people not looking for this type of disturbing garbage saw it and weren't able to get it out of there minds.
I am 28. I had delivered Austin in Feb. 2003. He was 18 weeks of gestation. He died in Utero. They told me not to get pregnant after my first little girl-because either I or the baby would die. I had a tubal ligation. I still got pregnant. At 10 weeks, we could see He wasn't right. At 12..it was obvious and I was offered Abortion. I chose to try to live with my child. at 18 weeks, he died inside me and I had to DELIVER A DEAD CHILD. Tell me, is that not traumatic????????
So-recently we found out I was pregnant again- My choice is my private right. But my husband has now had a vasectomy. And protection doesn't always work.
Am I pro-abortion? No. Am I pro-choice? No.
I am pro-HEALTH. If you are going to die giving birth to this child or carrying this child-what good are you doing the baby by leaving it all alone in the world???????? But if you are 16 and oops-i'm pregnant-tough $%#*!!! you did it, now it's your responsibility.
Raped? Molested? I would firmly agree with abortion.
When I first saw the Anti-abortionist's with their signs, I was discusted and outraged myself. I am pregnant now and would never get an abortion. I was looking up pictures of babies in the womb to see what my baby would look like at that partiliar week. I happened to stumble apon a web-site that showed aborted babies at different stages and trimesters and also read about the different ways that they are aborted. My way of thinking changed a bit. I feel that the only way people are really going to realize how horrible abortion really is is to see what those little unborn babies look like after they are aborted (even at only 8 weeks!). I feel bad for the babies that are shown in the pictures, but at the same time, I don't think society really realizes how abortions are done and that even at only 8 weeks, a fetus has bones and looks like a miniture person. Society doesn't want to see these pictures because they don't want to face reality and what abortion does to a human life. I was guilty of that myself. I didn't want to see dead babies and really believe that there were people out there that would actually perform these horrific procedures and abort a baby. In my opinion, after there is a hearbeat- then it is a human baby. So, if the only way they can get the message out of how gorey and how inhuman abortion is is by showing real pictures of aborted babies, then more power to them! In the end,though,only God will be the one to judge and punish.
Posted by: Julie R. at June 27, 2004 09:59 PMHonestly, I can understand both sides of the issue. However, I don't feel that as a country we should have the right to tell women what they can and can't do with their own bodies. That shouldn't be any of our concern. If it isn't something that you agree with, then I don't think you should ever have an abortion. I'm completely pro-choice. I think that either way , we will eventually have to live with the consequences of our actions. Whether it be in god's eyes or our own conscience.
Posted by: M. Ray at July 3, 2004 12:56 PMThe first choice should be not to have unprotected sex!!!! Let's not debate the rape, child rape, incest and life vs. death issue because those pregnancies are significantly rare and women in that case should be counseled and protected. Today, even 12 year old children are counseled not to have unprotected sex. A mature female who chooses to have unprotected sex should be required to view fetus development and abortion photos. Abortion doctors should not be allowed to perform abortions until patients have reviewed this material and signed an affidavit that they have made an informed decision. People should make informed decisions...right? Odd how many of those who are pro-choice are also for animal rights .... kill a human baby but not an animal. A 16 week old fetus who can feel pain, react to sound and exhibit numerous other human reactions has no voice in the decision to end its life. Most abortions are "chosen" as a matter of convenience, economy, and shame. Is there no room to consider the right of the unborn? If a woman is going to choose to kill she should at least make an informed decision that includes the horror of what she is planning to choose.....unless she just doesn't give a damn. The combination of an aging population and the expense of maintaining health care for the elderly, over-population and a narcissistic, self-indulgent society paves the way for a future with even more horrifying life and death issues concerning the "right to choose."
Posted by: Ellie J at July 7, 2004 11:30 PMI believe that abortion is murder and I support the use of graphic pictures. Most people do not realize what a bloody mess abortion is. Sometimes you have to use the "shock factor" to get people's attention. I do not believe that it is exploitation to use these pictures for two reasons. First, exploitation is the use of someone or something for your own benefit. Most, if not all, pro-life organizations are non-profit and many pro-lifers volunteer their time or resources. It is the abortion doctors and clinics that make the money - much of it from the government. This means that my tax dollars are going to pay for someone to murder their baby. As many as 4,000 every day! I believe abortion should be illegal but even if we just the funding the number of abortions would be reduced. We have made it too easy to get an abortion and now it is used as a form of birth control. Second, using pictures of the babies gives them a face and a voice. When you see a picture it is no longer just an impersonal blob of cells but a real little person who's image you have in your mind. Yes the pictures are gruesome, but it is a gruesome act of violence and it is fact. And do you really think that seeing one of those pictures will "screw up" a child what with everthing that they see on TV and in movies? On the news alone they see death and murder. They hear about rape and suicide and terrorism. Cartoons today are full of violence and gore. If you keep a close eye on what your child watches then I applaud your censorship, however most parents do not. The average American kid watches about 4 hours of TV every day. You don't think that they haven't already seen worse?
The problem however, really is not abortion. Abortion is only one of the results of the moral degredation of our society as a whole. People want ot be able to do what ever they like and not face any consequences. You can't choose to kill the whales or the baby sea turtles or the wolves. There are even laws to protect pregant lobsters. But a woman can have the government pay for her abortion because - oops, she got pregnant and did'nt want to be. How ridiculous is this?
Posted by: Hillery at July 8, 2004 04:06 PMi have a 5 month old baby and i am 16 years old.the only diffrence between other 16 year olds that have sex and myself is that i didnt use protection that is my fault and ill be the first one to tell you having a baby at 16 is hard.i love my baby more than anything ive ever looked at before. and the fact that people do the same thing i do but cop out only shows they are not mature enough to have sex in the first place. maybe i wasnt either but i took ersponsibilility for what i did and at 16 if i can do that i know damn well at 27 year old 30 year old or however old can also.i do however think in medical conditions and cases of rape or what have you thats acceptable because they didnt do anything wrong in the first place but other wise if you can fuck you can cope adoptions alot better option.
Posted by: emily at July 16, 2004 10:30 PMWho do you think you are, killing a humane being? Don't you understand that judgement day will come, and you will answer to God, for murder? Okay, so you were raped, or molested, that is terrible and no on deserves that to happen to them, but are you going to make a choice to ruins someone elses life, just beacause you have been done wrong in yours? It's so easy to do the wrong thing and so hard to do the right thing. No one has the perfect life, but remember that everthing happens for a reason, and God would never give you too much stress that you can't handle. Everybody can make something good out of a bad situation. You don't need to feep the baby,give it up for someone else to love. If you know the child will be mentally retarded, or handiecapp in someway, thats okay too, there is someone out there for everybody. I know the stress of making the dessicion to abort a baby, I had a abortion back in 97, after already haveing a 15 month old girl, I didn't want another child so soon. I thought of all these reasons why I should have the abortion, and went ahead with it without much theought, but If I would have been a little more paitient then I would have realized I was being selfish, and thinking of only my wants. We do have a choice to do what we want with our bodies, but abortion isn't the ONLY choice out there. Adoption is wonderfull, and you have saved a life. I have 4 children now and I have a beautifull life with my husband and kids, but I know it will never be complete knowing there is one missing. Choose life, It's wonderfull, and you are not alone.
Posted by: Brett at July 21, 2004 08:01 PMI feel that when i person finds out that they are going to have a baby that it is their choice to have an abortion or not. who are we to say what a person should or should not do. i don't think it is right but there are a lot of unwanted kids out there already and what kind of life would these kids have if they were made to have these kids. they would know that they were unwanted and how do you think that makes a kid feel. negleted and kids know when they are not wanted. secondly who will help provide for these kids we are forcing these mother to take care of these kids but what if they are poor and can not afford to take care of a kid and yes i can hear you say well they should of not had sex but what if it was rape or it was a kid who was melsited or something. besides who are we to jude and say who can do what it is not our bodys so why force these people to do something that they don't want to do. and one last thing it is God who is out judge so we can infom them that it is not right but we can not force them to see things our way the blood will be off our hands as long as we did our job when the time comes we can say we told them they knew but it was thir choice and that is how is should be not showing pices of dead babys to prove your point there is horror all over the world this is the last thing we need. WE dont kneed it to be like last time were mothers were killing themselfs to get rid of babys so lets rember what happen last time it was against the law for this. So lets pray for our brothers and sisters that they will make the right choice and not condem them.
Posted by: jane at August 11, 2004 04:56 PMexcuse me this is alod of bull right a baby after 21 weeks does not look like that at all ok as i have seen a abroted baby at 22 weeks as i had one my self 1. there in tact no missing body parts noi cut off body parts all in one part 2. there see through and the next thing dont judge people people have a abortions for differant reasons and its harder said than done so netx time think beofre you right and the way this may efect other people ok .
Posted by: Joanna at August 30, 2004 09:24 PMi thank abortions are wrong unless you have to have you for your health inorder to live. but other than that i thank its wrong. babys are a gift and thats should be treashered.
Posted by: renee at September 11, 2004 07:45 PMi thank abortions are wrong unless you have to have you for your health inorder to live. but other than that i thank its wrong. babys are a gift and thats should be treashered.
Posted by: renee at September 11, 2004 07:46 PMi thank abortions are wrong unless you have to have you for your health inorder to live. but other than that i thank its wrong. babys are a gift and thats should be treashered.
Posted by: renee at September 11, 2004 07:46 PMyou know what i think abortions are deffeinitly wrong its just cruality and sad to see how these innocent little babues cry and suffer while they r being killed u know what i mean so plz people dont get pregnant if u know u wont keep the baby and why not use protection if u dont want to have babies and get pregnant u know what i have a 6 months old daughter now the way i see her now i i am more den happy dat i had her im a very young teenage girl im only 17 and when i got pregnant when i was 15 goin on to 16 my parents did not know but still for the way i thought i said to my self i rather my family hurt den for me to hurt and live with the pain of me knowing i murdered a innocent baby im the one dat made the mistake of getting pregnant with not useing protection so why should my baby daughter be killed for my mistakes she dierves to live not to be dead and im very happy now dat i have her she is my life my everything i live for her and ill die for her so plz people dont abort any innocent babied thank you sicerely osnia zamany
Posted by: osnia zamany at September 19, 2004 06:18 PMi had a project thats why i saw this issue... actually im only 20,& im only concern to those babies who are oborted by their selfish mom... if u dnt like to have a child.. use contraceptives.... or do not have sex.. its a gift from god.. so nobody have the right to kill the baby... i learn a lot from this site.... you have to think twice 1st b4 you do some stupid thing......
Posted by: greize at September 24, 2004 05:21 AMHOW CAN PEOPLE BE SO MEAN THEY GOT THEIR SELVES INTO IT AT LEAST THEY CAN HAVE THE GUTS TO ADMIT IT TO THEIR PARENTS AND HAVE THE CHILD . IF THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE BABY TO RAISE THEY SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF THAT WHEN THEY WERE SLEEPING W/ A GUY .ATLEAST THEY CAN DO IS GIVE IT UP FOR ADOPTION I AM 15 AND I WOULD HAVE TOOK THE BABY AND RAISE IT MY SELF !! PEOPLE IF YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT DOING THIS YOU ARE CRAZY GOD GAVE YOU THAT CHILD FOR A REASON I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD BE ARRESTED FOR DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT . I AM GOING TO MAKE IT MY LIFE GOAL TO MAKE THAT AGINST THE LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by: suk mi dog off. at September 25, 2004 06:33 AMHaving an abortion is the hardest thing ever to do in life because you're taking away someone else's life just because you've done something wrong. I had an abortion and I really regret it but I had no choice if I was being pressured by my boyfriend and knowing my mom will never understand. Everytime I look at the gruesome pictures of the aborted babies and the different procedures they do to terminate the pregnancy I cry more and harder because I look at that child as if it was mine. Yes I'm 15 and very young but I had my whole life ahead of me to plan for me and my child while my option was to put it up for adoption. I sometimes want to take my own life just because I took someone else's who deserved it so why should I move on like everything is okay and live while I ended a pregnancy in death? I can't even look at myself the same anymore because of the shame and guilt I have in myself and my unborn child. If I could lay there and not tell the guy to put on a condom, then I should pay the responsibility to bear this child. I now know how it feels after having an abortion and if I do get pregnant again, no matter what, I'm giving life to my child. Because there's only that one chance when everyone has their first pregnancy and first born and I wasted it.
Posted by: Crystal at October 1, 2004 04:28 PMAll I have been hearing on this site is it's all the woman's fault for whatever she decides to do? Give me a break!!! Guys are just as responceable as the woman is. So quit saying CLOSE YOUR LEGS... Where are all the big men that go around having sex with multiple woman and never have to live with the consequences? Parents need to teach there kids ( girls and boys) to have protected sex.. This is all to one sided for me and it's just not right.
Posted by: Charity at October 1, 2004 10:24 PMI would like to say that it's true that it's just not the womans fault in getting pregnant out there.It's the mans fault too,but a woman should know who she is sleeping with,she should know that the man is responsible enough in order to sleep with him in case a pregnancy occcurs.But no, some woman think with there legs first,and then they get pregnant for this stupid man then they realize they have to deal with it alone so most of them find that the best thing to do is get an abortion and it's NOT RIGHT!!This unborn baby has to suffer because he had both irresponsible parents that just wanted to have a good time in bed and when it gets to a little more than they could handle then someone has to pay for it in that case the POOR BABY AND IT'S NOT FEAR!!!!
Posted by: glenda at October 4, 2004 10:53 AMWHEN U ALL DIE U WILL SEE MILLIONS OF UNBORN BABIES THAT WILL ASK ME WHAT WOULD I HAVE BEEN LORD IF I WERE PERMITTED TO LIVE????
AND I WILL TELL THEM U WOULD HAVE BEEN THE ONE WHO WOULD HAVE HAD THE CURE FOR AIDS...
AND U WOULD HAVE BEEN THE ONE THAT WOULD HAVE HAD THE CURE FOR CANCER...
AND U WOULD HAVE BEEN THE ONE TO CHANGE THIS WORLD...
BUT U WERE NOT PERMITTED TO LIVE....
THOU SHOU NOT KILL!!!
I LOVE U ALL COME TO ME AND STOP THIS THIS BABIES I HAVE A PLAN FOR ...AND THAT IS NOT MY PLAN PLAY THE ROLL OF GOD PEOPLE AND REAP IN THE END....
Posted by: GOD at October 5, 2004 10:17 PMBefore I saw abortion pictures on the internet, I had no idea that babies were actually being dismembered and killed. I have always heard people make comments about being for abortion or against it. But in my mind for some reason I was ignorant to the fact that these were small human beings having their life snatched away in a voilent matter. Little tiny precious babies at that. I thought that the only thing being aborted was a blob of tissue that was not formed yet. The pictures showed me the truth. They brought to reality what I was blind to. Even though I can't put into words the disbelief and pain I felt, I'm so glad that I saw them. I don't agree with people who show them out on the streets when little children can see them. That is totally wrong. There is a fine line that needs to be drawn. Children do not need to see that. It's disrespectful to the parent and child. Remember though that in the bible Jehovah said that vengence is mine. One day He will put an end to all of the evil that is going on today. Those poor little babies. Can you imagine the pain that these babies feel. Can you imagine someone dismembering you piece by piece. Or pouring a strong salt solution on you that causes you to burn all over and dying a slow death. And even pulling you by the leg and then stabbing you in the back of the head with scissors to get your brains sucked out. I could cry at the drop of a hat just thinking about it. I have a 2 year old son. When he was first born he was a tiny thing. I would die for him if anyone tried to do harm to him then or for the rest of his life. That's my child. I conceived him. I go throgh all means just to protect him. But people don't care about life. They are selfish. When you conceive a child you are supposed to be ready to give your all to nurture and care for this child. Not kill it out of convenince. They might as well let murders free from prison because these abortion doctors are murdering babies and getting away with it like it ain't nothing. People need to wake up. If you don't wanna get pregnant then don't have sex. BOTTOM LINE!!!!! And if you do have sex and become pregnant don't KILL YOUR BABY!!! TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT!!!!
Posted by: Arthea at October 7, 2004 10:02 AMIt makes me sick that somebody goes and takes pictures of these dead babies. How dare you take part of womens body and then take a picture of it. I think anyone who does do it is immoral themselves, you damned pro-life hypocrites. These photographs were obviously taken without permission. Let me tell you a story. I have a 3 yr old son, i love him to death. I take Bc and guess what? Recently I got preganant. I was pregnant for a two week period and did seriously think about abortion. I had the $ in my hand. And it was no one's business but mine and a doctors. And that's the way it should stay. No one else's damned concern. But I had a miscarriage anyways, and I can tell you from experience, it was so stressful and I was so ridiculously sad. I am more in belief on pro-choice more than ever before. Every woman should have the right to choose. She doesn't need anyone else butting into her business, no waiting laws, no prying protestors holding photos.I take care of both my child and my boyfriends, We could never afford another one now in our lifes. Sure I could have used adoption. So from someone who had faced this decision, I have this to say to Pro life supporters, mind your own f*****ng business.
Posted by: Hol at October 7, 2004 07:28 PMIt makes me sick that somebody goes and takes pictures of these dead babies. How dare you take part of womens body and then take a picture of it. I think anyone who does do it is immoral themselves, you damned pro-life hypocrites. These photographs were obviously taken without permission. Let me tell you a story. I have a 3 yr old son, i love him to death. I take Bc and guess what? Recently I got preganant. I was pregnant for a two week period and did seriously think about abortion. I had the $ in my hand. And it was no one's business but mine and a doctors. And that's the way it should stay. No one else's damned concern. But I had a miscarriage anyways, and I can tell you from experience, it was so stressful and I was so ridiculously sad. I am more in belief on pro-choice more than ever before. Every woman should have the right to choose. She doesn't need anyone else butting into her business, no waiting laws, no prying protestors holding photos.I take care of both my child and my boyfriends, We could never afford another one now in our lifes. Sure I could have used adoption. So from someone who had faced this decision, I have this to say to Pro life supporters, mind your own f*****ng business.
Posted by: Hol at October 7, 2004 07:28 PMFirst and formost it is wrong no matter how far along your are. The Bible say's Thou shalt not kill and that is what is being done. If you don't want your baby give the child to a loving family. God is a forgiving God and will forgive you only if you ask him to. God bless you
Posted by: Pettronella Knowles at October 12, 2004 06:46 AMI get really made when people say that the baby isn't alive yet, but when I was pregnant, I felt her kick all the time, and she had the hicups constantly. How can a so called clump of tissue kick or have the hicups? Doesn't make much since huh? For everyone who thinks that abortion is ok, get real. Your just lying to yourself. Women need to start being more responsable for their choices. There are so many people out there who can't even have children, and you go and have their heads cut off. So I don't feel bad for the grieving women who had an abortion, I pretty much think that you deserve it. You killed your child, and when you die, good luck. a child is a gift, and women think its ok to kill them. I look at my little girl every day, and think how much i live her, and what i would do without her. there is always help out there, and couples who want to adopt. stop thinking about yourself for once, because when you get pregnant, it's not about you anymore. stop being selfish, and make the right decision.
Posted by: s at October 12, 2004 03:04 PMi get angry when people think that abortions are ok the only time there ok is when a young person has been raped but that isnt right really if u are big enough to not use prtection you are big enough to look after a baby for thoose people who agree with abortions are sick because its a baby not a toy you all need to use your head be sesible and use protection if you dont want a baby!dont have abortions and kill a baby that is no harm to anyone just remeber its your fault its there so dont do it!
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Posted by: tatiana at October 13, 2004 09:25 AMChildren are the closest thing to love and purity. I think children should be told about abortion and what it is. Inherently they are APPAULED at this notion, thats because they are full of goodness, and unconditional love. ADULTS are the issue, the older we get eh more cynical and evil we become. By educating the young about abortions we can promote a culture of life. The youth will save us from abortion. ROE V WADE is NUMBERED!!!!!!
Posted by: john at October 14, 2004 03:23 AMI think that abortion is a personal right. However if the reason for abortion has nothing to do with the fact that a good life cannot be provided for the child, and all the reasons start with I DON"T WANT then it is a selfish choice and should be rethought. In that regard, if yuo are aware ahead of time that you cannot properly care for this child and all of the needs of this child will not be met then why bring a child into the world that will not have a decent life. That's not fair to the child either
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